Look, Republicans are going to try to turn health care reform into a constitutional crisis no matter what. As it is, lawmakers in more than two thirds of the states are trying to challenge the health care mandate or other provisions of the bill. But using this procedure -- which Republicans say is unconstitutional ...As I've said before, the goal here is to undermine the legitimacy of the federal government itself. If the Club For Growth crew and the Freedomworks astroturfers can convince Republicans, Independents and even Democrats that the very process of governance of this country is immoral and illegal, then they can call for the dissolution of the programs and laws that Club For Growth opposes.
...conservatives warned that Pelosi's use of deem-and-pass in this way would run afoul of the Constitution. They pointed to a 1998 Supreme Court ruling that said each house of Congress must approve the exact same text of a bill before it can become law. A self-executing rule sidesteps that requirement, former federal appellate judge Michael McConnell argued in a Wall Street Journal op-ed.
... just makes the task of ginning up a constitutional crisis infinitely easier -- and not just because far-right Republican presidents have appointed most of the federal judges who'd hear any challenges.
Our side doesn't understand that the right has figured out how to turn political anger into popular entertainment -- at least for the like-minded. The right has made more Republicans by training right-leaning citizens to turn to talk radio and Fox the way other people turn to HBO or Netflix, for fun. As a result, those citizens really keep up with politics, or at least politics Limbaugh/Fox style.
Right-wing message disseminators are already describing this procedure as the "Slaughter Solution," after Louise Slaughter, the House Rules chair. This crowd -- and some swing voters who also find this programming entertaining -- will get this argument. They'll find it exciting and infuriating. And they're still going to be talking about it in November 2010, and November 2012, just as they were talking about "back room deals" all through Scott Brown's campaign.
I'd add that violent wingnuts are also going to develop an unhealthy fixation on this vote -- the next right-wing crazy who attempts or commits political terrorism will have mentioned this vote specifically in his Web rantings. No, you can't let violent paranoids dictate your actions as a legislator. But nonviolent paranoids are another story. The right has created a lot of them, and they're going to march, and call for impeachment, and offer support to demagoguing state legislators and attorneys general who want to sue over this law, and vote in big numbers in November.
I hope the benefits of the procedure outweigh all that.
If you want to hamstring government to the point where it has no power to regulate commerce, enforce laws, or ensure the safety of the American people, this is the classic way to do it, and it's working brilliantly. The solution of course will be to increasingly give those powers to corporations instead. After all, if the people so despise the government that they prefer the profiteering corporate giants controlling every aspect of our lives, held unaccountable in any way, then there's no reason to have a federal government, right?
And isn't that the endgame of the whole mess? For Texas to tell California and New York "You're on your own, we're going our own way"?
Steve is right. This is playing right into the hands of the Tenthers.
This guys an idiot and you are if you believe him.
ReplyDeleteWhat the Democrats are trying to do is get out of voting for the Senate HCR bill. He can claim they did the same thing for the NCLB but the difference will be NCLB has votes recorded.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00192
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll145.xml
See the links above, those are who voted for it. Now I'm not saying what the Demcs are doing is unconstitutional because I don't know enough about it to make that claim, what I do know is that any constitutional expert who has spoken about this states that it is indeed unconstitutional.
Also it's not that I want corporations to have control because as we've seen with Lehman Bros. they don't give a damn about people and will leave them homeless while they run to the banks and retire. I also don't want Government running those industries. Regulations are perfectly fine as long as it doesn't hinder growth. It's a tricky beast and has to be handled delicately at some points and harshly in others. In the end we've shown time and time again when left in the private sectors hands business grow and prosper. Government needs to be there to protect it's people, not run the companies. We have to distinguish between the two. That is why I'm more of a centrist or center right than anything. Far left wants anything and everything Government ran vs. far right wants the government to piss off and fight wars. It's when we meet in the middle that I think we come up with some of our best solutions.
"I don't know enough about it to make that claim, what I do know is that any constitutional expert who has spoken about this states that it is indeed unconstitutional."
ReplyDeleteThe first clause of your sentence is correct.
So you know then?
ReplyDeleteWait no, no you don't. See when I'm unsure of something I just go read about it and find out the answer. Hence the second part of my sentence. Please pay attention, if need be read it in small bits and take naps in between so you can absorb it all.
...and yet you have still failed to provide documentation for your claim.
ReplyDeleteActually I have, in prior blogs regarding this. I've linked articles discussing this from the Washington Examiner and gave the name of a renowned Constitutional Expert.
ReplyDeleteWould you like me to post them again for you?
Yes, please. I want you to waste your every living moment having fights in the comments sections of blogs.
ReplyDeleteI do this as a service to the goats you would otherwise be molesting.
Oh, and the Washington Examiner is not a credible source. Try harder next time.
Actually being that the story was accurate I guess it is, it must suck to ask for info and then lose miserably when it was already provided.
ReplyDeletePay attention and keep up
So Mr.waffles, when your boys newt and david drier use this procedure over a 100 times did you wet your panties?BTW it went to court and a rethug judge said it was constititional.
ReplyDeleteSo you're whole argument is
ReplyDelete"They did it so we can too!!"
Is that it?
Where have I said
"It's ok for the Republicans to break laws but not the Democrats!"
See you may think that I'm far right but that's because I'm presenting the opposite point of view in a liberal blog. The further left the writer is and posts the further right I seem to be. The close the writer gets to center then I will be more like I truly am which is just center, probably center right tbh.
If I were in a far right blog I would seem far left as I would be defending Democrats.