The lead attorney defending Proposition 8 on the final day of a historic federal trial Wednesday said that gays have been subjected to a "shameful history" of discrimination but that voters had a right to limit them from marriage.Regardless of how Judge Walker rules, this one's heading for the Supreme Court almost certainly. it's just a matter of how long the appellate process takes until the measure goes to the Nine in Black. That ruling could define gay marriage for the entire country when it happens, but it has to at least start with Walker overturning Prop 8 first, otherwise there'd basically be no grounds for a higher court to even take the case.
Voters, argued attorney Charles Cooper, had legitimate concerns about what the consequences of same-sex marriage might be for society and children, even if critics of gay marriage can't prove that allowing gay couples to marry has a negative impact.
U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker took final arguments Wednesday in the case brought by opponents to the 2008 initiative. No date has been set for his decision.
Theodore Olson, who gave closing arguments on behalf of two gay couples challenging the ban as unconstitutional, said the defense failed to show a good reason to let voters use the state constitution to bar gay people from a fundamental right such as marriage.
Walker peppered both sides with questions during the daylong hearing.
Cooper reiterated the defense argument that governments have a historical interest in "channeling" procreation into marriage so children can have the "optimal" benefit of having a mother and father as "role models."
He quoted from a writer who expressed concern that gay marriage would "cut the link between sex and diapers," and told Walker: "It is not possible to predict with certainty and confidence what that change will beget."
Olson lashed out at Cooper's arguments, saying that Cooper, under questioning by the judge last January early in the trial, said "I don't know" and "we don't have any evidence" when he was asked what harm might come from gay marriage.
"You can't come in here and say, 'I don't have to prove anything,' " Olson said.
We'll see what happens. Walker is not expected to render a decision anytime soon, and he has weeks and weeks of testimony to digest and process here.
4 comments:
We've come a long way since the civil rights act, but in some ways we've stayed the same.
Just let them marry. If the religious folks are so upset about gays using the term "marriage" than call it a civil union and move on.
Land of the free...unless your queer!
you're (not "your") a dumb-ass. anybody who wants to get married should be able to.
Uh... I fail to see what the argument here. Isn't that what he just said?
its sad when even Star (Who is almost as big of a fan mine as you are t-man) has to point out you're an asshat :-)
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