No, I have no comment on Keith Olbermann being suspended from MSNBC for failing to disclose his political donations to Jack Conway and other Dems to the MSNBC brass. Besides, there's nothing I can say that Rachel Maddow didn't say a hundred times more effectively tonight.
There is nothing I can do here other than to throw a handful of cherry blossoms and walk away silently.
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She did cover it well.
Straight from the WTF department.
Somebody needs to explain Maddow's logic. NBC owns MSNBC. NBC has a particular policy. Olbermann allegedly violated NBC's policy and is suspended. Maddow notes that NBC doesn't say people can't contribute to favorite candidates, just that they have to do so in a certain way. Maddow blames Fox News for NBC's policy and suspending Olbermann. Uh-huh.
That's like saying that cutting tax rates will force the government to borrow money...oh wait...liberals do say that. Never mind.
Personally, I would think the liberal braintrust running GE, NBC, and MSNBC could have come up with much better reasons for dumping Olbermann, such as his program hurting the company's financial bottom line or those running MSNBC want to take it in another direction. But for this? It's petty and stupid. Of course, we're talking about a corporation that is far up Obama's a$$ for goodies and not a real company.
You're really bad at this whole logic thing.
"Maddow blames Fox News for NBC's policy and suspending Olbermann. Uh-huh."
At no point did Rachel blame FOX for MSNBC's policy or for Olbermann's suspension.
What she said is that several FOX News hosts have done far more than donate to Republican candidates, to the point of openly endorsing them in their capacity as hosts, fundraiser for them as well, and in several cases the candidates themselves are actively employed by FOX.
It's exactly because of the policy MSNBC has that as Rachel said differentiates MSNBC the news outfit and FOX, the media arm of the GOP.
Bullshit. Get off your high horse Rachel and you too Zandar.
No, MSNBC is not Fox. MSNBC is worse because it pretends to give liberals and progressives a voice while keeping right-wing assholes like Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarborough around while giving us faux lefties like Dylan Ratigan and Chris Matthews. Olbermann and Ed Schultz are egoist entertainers, period. There's nothing remotely progressive about this network save Maddow's rare times when she is watchable when she is covering a real story about how we're getting screwed over by the corporations that own us.
If Rachel Maddow had an ounce of real integrity she would have quit this joke of a network years ago. So the last thing I want to hear out of her is how Fox is the propaganda machine for the right wing when MSNBC is owned by two of the worst companies out there in Comcast and GE.
Zander:
At no point did Rachel blame FOX for MSNBC's policy or for Olbermann's suspension.
Sure she did. You even admit it:
What she said is that several FOX News hosts have done far more than donate to Republican candidates, to the point of openly endorsing them in their capacity as hosts, fundraiser for them as well, and in several cases the candidates themselves are actively employed by FOX.
So? What does Fox have to do with MSNBC (and NBC) policy? In fact, why bring up Fox News at all? She doesn't work for Fox, Fox doesn't pay her, and Fox News doesn't set policy for MSNBC.
It's exactly because of the policy MSNBC has that as Rachel said differentiates MSNBC the news outfit and FOX, the media arm of the GOP.
Listen to her. She doesn't say that MSNBC employees can't contribute to political candidates; she admits that they do. They can even contribute to Democrats. But they have to follow certain rules set by NBC and MSNBC, which Olbermann allegedly didn't do. This doesn't make them any different from Fox News in that regard except perhaps in process and procedure.
Again, she is blaming Fox News for something NBC and MSNBC did. Kind of like blaming guns when one is used by someone to commit murder; it's a stupid non sequiter.
"Listen to her. She doesn't say that MSNBC employees can't contribute to political candidates; she admits that they do. They can even contribute to Democrats. But they have to follow certain rules set by NBC and MSNBC, which Olbermann allegedly didn't do. This doesn't make them any different from Fox News in that regard except perhaps in process and procedure."
And what a difference that is. I note you're not denying anything Rachel said about FOX, either.
She brought up FOX not as an excuse for Olbermann, but as a contrast between the two networks. One's a news outfit. The other is the media wrangler for the Republican party.
She also brought it up to "forever put to rest" the notion that both networks are the same.
And that last point brings me to you, Paul J.
Yeah, MSNBC has its problems. But you're mad if you think you're going to find a completely non-corporate voice on a television network designed to sell ads and make money.
What other network is even close to MSNBC's voice and scope. And even you admit that Rachel does cover anti-corporate stories, as does Olbermann.
And what a difference that is. I note you're not denying anything Rachel said about FOX, either.
Sure I am. From what I gather, all Olbermann had to do was tell his bosses who he was contributing to, and that he didn't do it. Fox doesn't have such a policy. That doesn't make what NBC has for policy better. If anything, it's more onerous, especially since Olbermann (and Maddow) isn't any kind of a journalist, but a commentator, just like all those people on Fox that Maddow mentioned (Hannity, Palin, Huckabee). If there is a difference, it's that the MSNBC'ers try to pass themselves off as journalists instead of what they really are, liberal commentators, while the Fox people she mentions admit to being conservative commentators and not journalists. That seems to be more honest than anything with those working at MSNBC.
She also brought it up to "forever put to rest" the notion that both networks are the same.
She's right about that. Fox News is a news organization with (mostly) conservative commentary added in (there are liberals there), and MSNBC attempts to promote the liberal agenda of the Democratic Party while masquerading as a news organization.
Rachel Maddow has never referred to herself as a journalist. That's why MSNBC and NBC News are separate networks.
There is no such division at FOX and FOX News Channel.
Therein lies the problem.
"Fox News is a news organization with (mostly) conservative commentary added in (there are liberals there), and MSNBC attempts to promote the liberal agenda of the Democratic Party while masquerading as a news organization."
you're a lunatic. you have to know that. do you remember the famous teaser that appeared of a fox news show asking whether obama and his wife had publicly engaged in a "terrorist fist jab"? holy shit. what in the fuck is wrong with you? are you retarded or something?
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