Last Call For Voting At The Kiddie Table

It's amazing how far we've come on the Republican idea of limiting voting only to those worthy (you know, Republican voters) and how it's considered perfectly reasonable.  Voter ID suppression tactics, calls to limit voting to property owners (an oldie but goodie) and now Glenn Reynolds has decided that college kids are no longer worthy of being considered adults and that we should raise the voting age to 25.

Consider Yale University, where a disagreement over what to do about — theoretically — offensive Halloween costumes devolved into a screaming fit by a Yale senior (old enough to vote, thanks to the 26th Amendment) who assaulted a professor with aprofane tirade because the professor's failure to agree with her made her feel ... unsafe. 

As The Atlantic’s Conor Friedersdorf writes: “Erika Christakis reflected on the frustrations of the students, drew on her scholarship and career experience, and composed an email inviting the community to think about the controversy through an intellectual lens that few if any had considered. Her message was a model of relevant, thoughtful, civil engagement. For her trouble, a faction of students are now trying to get (her and her husband, also a professor there) removed from their residential positions, which is to say, censured and ousted from their home on campus. Hundreds of Yale students are attacking them, some with hateful insults, shouted epithets, and a campaign of public shaming. In doing so, they have shown an illiberal streak that flows from flaws in their well-intentioned ideology.”

This isn’t the behavior of people who are capable of weighing opposing ideas, or of changing their minds when they are confronted with evidence that suggests that they are wrong. It’s the behavior of spoiled children — a characterization that Friedersdorf, perhaps unconsciously, underscores by not reporting the students’ names because, he implies, they are too young to be responsible for their actions. And spoiled children shouldn’t vote. 

This isn't tongue-in-cheek humor here, this is Glenn's "serious" weekly USA Today column.  He really is calling for the disenfranchisement of everyone age 18-25 because he doesn't agree with some college students.

The only person here showing an appalling lack of judgment that should preclude them from voting is Glenn Reynolds, with this ridiculously proto-fascist nonsense.

But he's considered a serious conservative voice with a weekly column in USA Today.

Go figure.

Welcome To Bevinstan, Con't

Today's dispatch from the front lines in the war on sanity includes Matt Bevin realizing just how quickly he can move when he realizes his administration could be indicted at light speed.

Republican Gov.-elect Matt Bevin has updated his transition website to clarify that everyone is welcome to apply for jobs in his administration.

The website, http://bevintransition.com , originally said Bevin wants to hire people who "share his traditional values." Bevin opposes same-sex marriage and supports Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis, who is seeking a religious exemption from issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

The website now says Bevin wants to hire people who "share his conservative values." Bevin spokeswoman Jessica Ditto said Bevin's team made the change after a reporter asked about the language. She said Bevin wants to be "abundantly clear" that his administration will be "inclusive, transparent and dedicated to the betterment of our state."

Or maybe Bevin realized that only asking for people sharing his "traditional values" is a massive, massive hiring practices indictment waiting to happen.  Considering how quickly Ernie Fletcher, the state's last Republican governor, was indicted in his first (and only) term for giving out jobs to his Republican buddies, Bevin did an immediate about face.  I'll give him this much, he's smarter than Fletcher was. Having a hiring investigation for your transition team is just...amateurish.

Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/2015/11/11/4132690/gov-elect-bevin-starts-website.html#storylink=cpy

He's still just as crooked however.  Trust me on this.

Operation Hairpiece

I'm really, really beginning to think there's something to the whole perverse theory that Donald Trump is a Democratic plant working for the Clintons.

Trump appeared Wednesday morning on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” to defend his proposal, which he compared during the GOP presidential debate the previous evening to a policy similar to one employed by President Dwight Eisenhower.

That controversial program — Operation Wetback — resulted in the roundup and deportation in the 1950s of 1.5 million people, many of them legal American citizens, and dropping them off by the busload in remote areas along the U.S.-Mexico border.

Trump, who did not invoke the controversial program by name, said his plan would somehow avoid the tragic consequences of Eisenhower’s — which resulted in human rights abuses and deaths.

“You’re going to have a deportation force, and you’re going to do it humanely,” Trump said. “Look, we have to do what we have to do, and Ike did it and other people have done it.”

He didn’t describe how his program would preserve the illegal immigrants’ humanity — but he said it would somehow also be “cheap” to round up and deport millions of men, women and children living in the U.S.

It all starts with a wall that he has suggested he could force Mexico to build.

“It’s going to be a Trump wall,” Trump said. “It’s going to be a real wall, and it’s going to stop people and it’s going to be good.”

At this point Trump has so poisoned the well with Latino voters that I just have to laugh.  A lot of people say Eisenhower was the last decent Republican president we've had, but the guy rounded up hundreds of thousands of US citizens and dumped them in Mexico.

Thing is, that *does* make him arguably the least awful Republican president in the last century or so.

StupidiNews!

• Kurdish forces have launched an offensive to retake the town of Sinjar in western Iraq from ISIS, hoping to take control of a key road into ISIS territory in Syria.
• Russia says that DNA analysis confirms the discovery of Tsar Nicholas II's remains, in response to a dispute with the Orthodox Church over relics from his reign. 
• As many as 25 people are dead after an attack by Boko Haram militants in western Niger, including 20 militants killed by Niger soldiers.
• The suspected bombing of a Russian Metrojet flight in Egypt has some US lawmakers demanding answers to "insider threats" to airport security. 
• A new study finds that a single course of oral antibiotics can damage the balance of helpful microbes in the gut for up to a year.

Last Call For Pissed Christie, Con't

Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Christie presents your Republican minority voter outreach from the GOP governor of a blue state, 2015 GOP primary season edition.

Later in the town hall, when a mother of two police officers asked about how Christie would support law enforcement, the governor let loose fiery attack on the Black Lives Matter movement in general and in particular, on Clinton's willingness to meet with representatives of it.

"I think all lives matter," said Christie, who was standing in a cafe where a lever-action rifle hung inside its entrance with the words "We Don't Dial 911" above it.

"But let me tell you this: When a movement like that calls for the murder of police officers...no President of the United States should dignify a group like that by saying anything positive about them, and no candidate for president, like Hillary Clinton, should give them any credibility by meeting with them, as she's done."

Last month, Clinton had met privately with members of the Black Lives Matter movement while in Washington D.C. for the National Council of Negro Women.

Christie vowed never to do so.

"I want the Black Lives Matter people to understand: Don't call me for a meeting. You're not getting one."

"Black Lives Matter called for the murder of police" is the new  "Black Panthers are attacking white voters at polling places" baloney and it will be repeated for years.

And believe me when I say as far as GOP voters are concerned, every black voter is a "Black Lives Matter thug".

All Around The World The Same Song

Republicans are trying to repeal Obamacare yet again (attempt number 54, by my math) this time with a couple of differences: they are using budget reconciliation, and they are including cutting all funding for Planned Parenthood.

The Senate parliamentarian has ruled that defunding Planned Parenthood can be part of a special Republican package repealing parts of ObamaCare, The Hill has learned. 

The parliamentarian on Tuesday gave word that the provision passes muster under the Senate’s Byrd Rule, which means it can be attached to a reconciliation package that cannot be filibustered on the Senate floor.

Some Senate sources had raised questions over whether the reconciliation bill passed by the House — which strips funding from Planned Parenthood — was even eligible for the reconciliation process. 

That question is now settled, which means the Senate can begin debating the measure once GOP leaders round up enough votes to bring it to the floor. 

“The House of Representatives passed important legislation that ripped out the core pillars of ObamaCare and fully complies with the House’s budget rules. Today the Senate Parliamentarian advised us that their ObamaCare repeal bill can proceed under the rules of reconciliation,” said Don Stewart, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). 

“The Parliamentarian also confirmed that the restrictions on payments to certain health care providers in section 201 of the House bill can be accomplished consistent with the Byrd rule,” Stewart added, referring to language defunding Planned Parenthood.

So this is all great fun for the GOP, but it's going to run into a guaranteed veto by President Obama. The question is will this legislation get attached to must-pass legislation?  The budget deal has already been signed, so where does this bill go?

It's a definite boon to the four Senate Republicans running for President in 2016. If this does get past the Senate, these four can say "I proved the only thing keeping Obamacare and Planned Parenthood alive now is Obama, and once I win in 2016 we can and will end his legacy."

Of course, that goes for Trump, Carson, Fiorina, Jeb! and the rest of the pack too.

Short of a piping hot plate of red meat for the base, this accomplishes nothing.

That appears to be the point, however.

The Great Debate Debate, Con't

A couple of points raised in last night's GOP debate that I wanted to bring up, first Trump on the minimum wage:

But, taxes too high, wages too high, we're not going to be able to compete against the world. I hate to say it, but we have to leave it the way it is. People have to go out, they have to work really hard and have to get into that upper stratum. But we can not do this if we are going to compete with the rest of the world. We just can't do it.

Considering Trump inherited his millions from his dad, that's a hell of a thing to say.  The greatest capitalist country on earth has businesses that can't afford to pay taxes or to pay workers?  Ben Carson was even more nuts.

As far as the minimum wage is concerned, people need to be educated on the minimum wage. Every time we raise the minimum wage, the number of jobless people increases.

It's particularly a problem in the black community. Only 19.8 percent of black teenagers have a job, who are looking for one. You know, that -- and that's because of those high wages. If you lower those wages, that comes down.

What?  Black teenagers are making too much money?  People should be grateful for the experience, Carson said.  You don't need to be paid.  Does anybody actually agree with that?  Rubio weighed in too:

If you raise the minimum wage, you're going to make people more expensive than a machine. And that means all this automation that's replacing jobs and people right now is only going to be accelerated.

Here's the best way to raise wages. Make America the best place in the world to start a business or expand an existing business, tax reform and regulatory reform, bring our debt under control, fully utilize our energy resources so we can reinvigorate manufacturing, repeal and replace Obamacare, and make higher education faster and easier to access, especially vocational training. For the life of me, I don't know why we have stigmatized vocational education. Welders make more money than philosophers. We need more welders and less philosophers.

You should be grateful for the experience, you don't need to be paid, and you should be lucky we don't replace you with a robot.  Amazing.

That's where Republicans are on the working poor.  You make too much money and you're ruining it for the rest of us.

StupidiNews!

• Multiple anonymous threats were made on social media against black University of Missouri students in the wake of the ouster of UM officials over failing to deal with incidents of racism.
• A new report by a California think tank finds half of the state's undocumented immigrants are poor enough to qualify for Medi-Cal, the state's Medicaid program.
• Libyan forces faced off in Benghazi against Islamic State fighters leaving 16 dead as Libya remains divided among two competing government armies and ISIS militants.
• New York AG Eric Schneiderman has classified daily fantasy sports illegal gambling under state law in the latest blow to DraftKings and FanDuel.
• A bipartisan House bill aims to increase business opportunities in space, allowing companies to claim asteroids for mining rights and indemnify commercial space launches through 2025.

Last Call For The Christmas Taliban Strikes Again

It's that time of the year again where the Christian outrage police go after businesses for not being Christian enough when it comes to the holiday season, because as we all know any business that doesn't put Jesus on everything after Halloween must hate Christians and must be destroyed.

Starbucks, on Sunday, addressed criticism for removing symbols of the Christmas season from its cups, and making them just plain red with the company logo. Starbucks reportedly came under fire from a Christian group in the U.S. which accused the coffee company of waging a "war on Christmas." 

Starbucks removed the usual array of decorative images such as Christmas trees and snowflakes that adorned the cups in previous holidays with a simple red cup with their green and white logo. 

Starbucks reportedly said in a statement Sunday that it tries "to create a culture of belonging, inclusion and diversity," adding that the cup is meant to be a "blank canvas" that encourages "customers to tell their Christmas stories in their own way." 

Joshua Feuerstein -- a former pastor who calls himself a "social media personality" -- posted a video on Facebook last week, criticizing Starbucks for removing "Christmas from their cups because they hate Jesus." 

In an email to CNNMoney Sunday, Feuerstein noted that his video has had more than 10 million views. 

"I think Starbucks has gotten the message that the Christian majority in this country has awakened and are demanding that our voice be heard," Feuerstein reportedly wrote.

These of course are the same evangelical Christians who say they are being victimized by the evil gay mafia over same-sex marriage, victimized by schools for not teaching Bible classes, victimized by other religions for being allowed to exist in a "Christian country" even though the Constitution expressly forbids such things, and on and on.

We've gotten to the point now where a red coffee cup is "anti-Jesus"

If this is your Christianity, I want no part of it.

Welcome To Bevinstan, Con't

A whole bunch of Kentuckians didn't think Matt Bevin would ever take Medicaid away from people like them, but that's exactly who and what they voted for last week.  Now that Bevin plans to make good on his promises, they're pretty damn scared.

Dennis Blackburn has this splintered self-interest. The 56-year-old mechanic hasn’t worked in 18 months, since he lost his job at a tire company that supplies a diminishing number of local coal mines. “The old guy had to go home,” Blackburn says of his layoff. 

He has a hereditary liver disorder, numbness in his hands and legs, back pain from folding his 6-foot-1-inch frame into 29-inch mine shafts as a young man, plus an abnormal heart rhythm — the likely vestige of having been struck by lightning 15 years ago in his tin-roofed farmhouse. 

Blackburn was making small payments on an MRI he’d gotten at Pikeville Medical Center, the only hospital in a 150-mile radius, when he heard about Big Sandy’s Shelby Valley Clinic. There he met Fleming, who helped him sign up for one of the managed-care Medicaid plans available in Kentucky. 

On Election Day, Blackburn voted for Bevin because he is tired of career politicians and thought a businessman would be more apt to create the jobs that Pike County so needs. Yet when it comes to the state’s expansion of health insurance, “it doesn’t look to me as if he understands,” Blackburn said. “Without this little bit of help these people are giving me, I could probably die. . . . It’s not right to not understand something but want to stamp it out.”

Well sorry Dennis.  You voted for the guy who ran on taking health care away from you.  Steve Benen isn't exactly sorry for Dennis here either.

My point is not to be unsympathetic. It seems this man is facing serious health issues and I can only hope he, and others like him, receive the assistance they need. 

But Matt Bevin did not hide his intentions, and Kentucky will now try to live with the consequences of the voters’ decision. The state was a model for the nation; Kentuckians had an opportunity to keep that model in place; and now they’ve chosen to go in a very different direction. 

I should note that the future isn’t entirely clear. Bevin ran on an anti-healthcare platform, but he’s begun to hedge on some of the details, vowing to come up with a new, as-yet-unstated plan, which will likely cost more and cover less, but which may prevent hundreds of thousands of Kentuckians from losing their health security altogether. 

In the meantime, however, a lot of families are worried about just how much damage a Bevin administration will do, and by all appearances, those fears are well grounded.

And before anyone starts thinking Bevin is the one who is going to burn for this, let's understand that all Bevin has to do is say that Medicaid expansion was always going to go away because Obamacare was always broken, and to blame Obama and the Democrats.

And Dennis here?  That's exactly what he'll do.

He will continue to vote against his self-interests.  He wanted his Medicaid, but he wasn't going to admit that the ni-CLANG! president was helping him.  So he voted for the other guy and thought he would be able to tell Obama to go to hell and keep his Medicaid.

A lot of people did.

Guess what?

Welcome to Bevinstan.

University Of Hard Knocks, Con't

Well it turns out University of Missouri System President Tim Wolfe stepped down over an insufficient response to a number of racist incidents on campus this year, and now the bullseye is on university Chancellor Bowen Loftin.

The same day University of Missouri System President Tim Wolfe announced his resignation, the deans of nine different MU colleges requested the dismissal of Chancellor R. Bowen Loftin.

In a letter sent Monday to Wolfe and the UM Board of Curators, the deans said they wanted to express "our deep concern about the multitude of crises on our flagship campus" and call for Loftin's dismissal.

The nine deans met with Wolfe on Oct. 9 and on Oct. 13 met with Wolfe, Loftin and Provost Garnett Stokes to express their concerns, according to the letter.

"The issues we raised in those meetings have continued to deteriorate into a campus crisis that demands immediate and decisive action," they wrote. "It is the Chancellor’s responsibility as the Chief Executive Officer of the campus to effectively address these campus issues."

Loftin, the former president of Texas A&M University, has been chancellor at MU since February 2014.

The letter is signed by Daniel Clay, dean of the College of Education; Kristofer Hagglund, dean of the School of Health Professions; David Kurpius, dean of the School of Journalism; Judith Miller, dean of the Sinclair School of Nursing; Gary Myers, dean of the School of Law; Neil Olson, dean of the School of Veterinary Medicine; Michael O'Brien, dean of the College of Arts and Science; Thomas Payne, dean of the College of Agriculture, Food and Natural Resources; and Barton Wechsler, dean of the Truman School of Public Affairs.

The deans said Loftin has shown failed leadership through a number of instances, including the elimination and eventual reinstatement of graduate assistant health insurance and the elimination of the vice chancellor for health sciences position. The deans claim Loftin created a "toxic environment through threat, fear and intimidation."

"It is imperative to take immediate action to begin the process of resolving the issues and improving the environment," they wrote.

On Sunday, faculty members of the Department of Romance Languages and Literatures sent a letter to the Curators saying they had no confidence in Loftin's leadership. The letter said 28 faculty members in the department expressed no confidence in Loftin; two abstained from the vote.

The faculty members said Loftin's leadership has created a "climate of mistrust, miscommunication, chaos, despair, and anger."

"The demoralizing campus climate under his lack of leadership is no longer conducive to our fundamental duties of teaching, research and service," the letter said. "We believe that the only way out of this impasse is to find a new Chancellor who … will find the resources needed to increase rather than dismantle the excellence of our institution."

So it turns out that yes, the problems at the University of Missouri have been ongoing for some time now, enough for multiple college deans to call for a chancellor's ouster.

But the backlash from the dregs of the Confederacy is pretty vocal.

This controversy, as with the current upheaval at Yale, suggests aggrieved students most desperately want administrators to acknowledge their pain and tell them they have a right to live free of emotional turmoil. But no competent administrator can provide them with this false sense of security, since the proper role of a university education is to help students overcome (rather than sidestep) challenges. 

In any case, Wolfe’s resignation also means that hyper-offended students are not as powerless as skeptics of the campus speech wars claim they are. I'm often told by these skeptics that the actions of outraged students are harmless because they never amount to anything, but this development at Missouri is a significant contrary example. 

I would be disheartened, but not at all surprised, to see more professors and administrators driven from campus for the crime of failing to erect suitable safe spaces.

How ridiculous, according to the right, that colleges and universities should work to actually do something about racism, sexual assault, and abuse on campus, when America, the greatest nation on earth, is full of racism, sexual assault, and abuse.

StupidiNews!

• A new report accuses Russian track & field athletes of cheating heavily at the 2012 London games and beyond and recommends banning Russia from the 2016 Rio Olympics.
• A federal appeals court has upheld the injunction against the Obama administration's executive orders on immigration, leaving a final judgment in the hands of the Supreme Court. 
• Results from Myanmar's elections show opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi will be able to form a new democratic government as the ruling military junta was crushed.
• Strikes at German airline Lufthansa continue as pilots and cabin crews have rejected the airline's latest offer as the strike now enters its second month.
• The EPA plans a much more rigorous testing schedule for diesel cars in 2016 in the wake of Volkswagen's cheating scandal.

Last Call For Chartering A Course

I don't think enough has been said about Democrats losing black votes because of their refusal to support charter schools.  I know that they are a scam to take even more money away from broken urban schools and then close them in droves the way Rahm Emmanuel did in Chicago, which was a disaster that resulted in the conviction of the CEO of Chicago Public Schools.

But that hasn't stopped inner-city black voters with broken schools from wanting to try something radically different. And one of the reasons Matt Bevin won here in Kentucky was because of his charter school plan for Louisville and Lexington in a state that has held firmly against charter schools for years.  Conway didn't get the votes he needed to win from those areas because Bevin and his running mate Janean Hampton pushed charter schools for black neighborhoods.

Democrats haven't done a good enough job of stopping charter schools, and a big chunk of that is that the Obama administration has supported charter schools across the board.  Only now has that changed with the planned exit of Education Secretary Arne Duncan.

And that leads us to Hillary Clinton in South Carolina over the weekend at a town hall meeting with black voters at Claflin University.

Education and training programs came to dominate the hour-long meeting at the historically black university. 

Clinton said education would be a top priority in her administration, pointing to the education reform she spearheaded when her husband occupied the governor’s mansion in Arkansas. 

But she also refused to endorse plans to build more charter schools and expand school choice for parents through voucher programs, despite the overwhelming popularity of such policies among African-American voters. 

“I have for many years now, about 30 years, supported the idea of charter schools, but not as a substitute for the public schools, but as a supplement for the public schools," Clinton said. 

She said charter schools can have a “purpose,” but added that “there are good charter schools and there are bad charter schools,” and charter schools often aren’t willing to take the students who pose the biggest problem to educators.

That last distinction is what we have to make as Democrats, but we're not doing a very good job of it. Too many Dems have gotten on board the charter school train, and Republicans are selling the idea that Democrats don't really care about education because if they did, they would allow charter schools.

The problem is of course that with school choice, there are winners and losers.  And in this game, the losing schools get shut down so there's nowhere to go but the charter schools that are making a profit and leaving poor black kids in the cold.

Welcome To Bevinstan, Con't

The Matt Bevin Screw The Ni-CLANG! President tour continues, as Bevin tells Glenn Beck that the government agencies like the EPA have no authority here because of the Tenth Amendment.

Bevin, a Tea Party favorite who became only the second Republican in four decades to win Kentucky’s governorship Tuesday, vowed to stand against the EPA when it comes to protecting his state’s large coal industry.

“Why it is that we in Kentucky — that sit on two extraordinary basins, the Illinois basin and the Central basin, an abundance of this — how are we not participating in something that the world wants more of than they ever have?” Bevin asked. “And so, from my way of thinking, we will tell the EPA and other unelected officials who have no legal authority over us as a state, to pound sand.”

Bevin, a self-described “staunch conservative,” told Beck he believes the 10th Amendment is “one of the most powerful tools” and that power not expressly given to the federal government is the responsibility of the states.

The incoming Kentucky governor said the EPA has “no authority” and that its only recourse would be to “take us to court.” Bevin said that, in the past, the agency has “bribed us with our own money,” but he insisted that will not happen anymore under his leadership.

“The EPA, for example, they don’t have an enforcement arm,” Bevin said. “They use federal dollars. They use our own money. They bribe us with our own money to stick it to ourselves. And we will not do that anymore in the state of Kentucky.”

Hey, serious Southern nullification had to start somewhere, and it looks like in 2016 Bevin will be leading that charge.  I wonder how much of my state taxpayer dollars he'll give to mining companies and power companies that violate EPA regs here, since the feds will happily fine them millions.

It's the people of Kentucky who are going to lose this battle, and Bevin knows it.  And he can blame Obama for another year at least.

University Of Hard Knocks

A rash of racist incidents has plagued the University of Missouri campus so far this year, and University President Tom Wolfe's response to the incidents has not been enough to satisfy students on campus.  Things have gotten so bad that the unheard of has happened: the school's black college football players have gone on strike until Wolfe is removed.

More than 30 football players at the University of Missouri will not participate in any practices or games until Missouri System president Tim Wolfe resigns or is terminated. Several black team members announced their decision to strike on social media Saturday night and Missouri's Legion of Black Collegians posted a statement on behalf of the team with a picture of players unified in support of the boycott.

Wolfe's response to a series of racist incidents has been considered inadequate by many students who believe racism has poisoned the campus. A graduate student, Jonathan Butler, announced earlier in the week he was going on a hunger strike until Wolfe was removed. The most recent racist incident came Oct. 24 when a swastika was drawn with human feces on a college dorm's white wall. 

Sophomore defensive back Anthony Sherrils tweeted: "The athletes of color on the University of Missouri football team truly believe "Injustice Anywhere is a threat to Justice Everywhere" We will no longer participate in any football related activities until president Tim Wolfe resigns or is removed due to his negligence toward marginalized students' experiences. WE ARE UNITED!!!!!!"

Several more African-American players, including senior running back and team captain Russell Hansbrough, followed with a series of passionate tweets. Missouri’s student body is 77% white and 7% black, while 58 of the school’s 84 scholarship football players are African-American.

The students have the support of their coaches and fellow white players, and it's powerful to see this happen in the middle of the season like this., but let's be honest about what's going on here:

In the 15 months since African-American teenager Michael Brown was fatally shot by a white police officer in Ferguson, Mo., universities around the country have become home to protests. Missouri's campus in Columbia sits about two hours west of Ferguson.

And considering that we have problems with black church burnings in the area, it's good that these students are taking the incidents and drawing attention to the University of Missouri.

Good for them.